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Hi,

How does the Spectral Cleaning in Sam/Sequoia actually compare to ReNOVAtor or maybe on a fairer level to their EasyNOVA. Is it true, that Spectral Cleaning is actually made for Magix by Algorithmix anyway? Is it true, that Spectral Cleaning in Samp is good for removing clicks, short noise, but that you can't very well remove tonal sound with harmonics in it ???

How are the other Declicking and Dehissing plugins in Samp/Seq in your experiences?

Thanks for your comments.

b.

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How does the Spectral Cleaning in Sam/Sequoia actually compare to ReNOVAtor or maybe on a fairer level to their EasyNOVA.

See below.

Is it true, that Spectral Cleaning is actually made for Magix by Algorithmix anyway?

No. The reason that it looks alike just comes from the things it does. A spectrogram is a spectrogram.

Is it true, that Spectral Cleaning in Samp is good for removing clicks, short noise, but that you can't very well remove tonal sound with harmonics in it ???

Kind of. You can remove a short disturbance from a feedback as well, but no complex and long tonal distortions.

reNOVAtor is also a little different where it is implemented in Sequoiatude. You can work Object based, reNOVAtor produces copies of the stuff it worked on. SC always works directly on the file. It is also easier to work on longer passages in reNOVAtor, as SC keeps all audio in RAM during preview. reNOVAtor also has the far superior block size features that help tremendously to work on certain disturbances. There are just some things you simply don't see in SC.

IMO, from the performance SC might in some ways be comparable to Easynova. Either do some things better than the other in detail.

I think you need to simply test it for yourself.

Cheers,

Sebastian

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47 minutes ago, ugp said:

Still can't believe they got rid of spectral layers☹️

I don't work for MAGIX but this is what I know:

In 2012 Divide Frame wrote Spectra Layers.  It was published by Sony.   We assume Sony also purchased some or all of the code in addition to distributing.  Versions 1, 2, and 3 were published at Sony with French coder Robin Lobel doing most of the development for version 2 and 3.

In 2016, Sony sold off various intellectual property assets related to audio software.  MAGIX acquired Specra Layers and released version 4.   Spectra Layers was sold standalone and bundled with Sequoia 14.  Magix also released version 5.

In 2019, Steinberg acquired distribution rights.  (It is assumed that this means the code and all property, but it could also mean that the coders own the IP and moved the distribution deal to Steinberg.   Articles discussing that are imprecise as some of the journalists are not legal experts).   

Steinberg changed the name to SpectraLayers (concatenating the two words into one), and released version 6. 

Since this is a private web forum, I will share my unvarnished thoughts:

  • If you want to clean clicks or impulses, the built-in Spectral Cleaning by Magix is very very good. It has clear graphics, and can be opened, used, and applied in seconds. If you're a professional this really matters.
  • SpectraLayers is one of the most powerful restoration tools on the planet.  However, configuring the display, navigating, and working as fast as you can will never approach the speed of the Magix software.  If you need a click or pop, using SpectraLayers is SLOW, and complete overkill.    If you need to do something complex that borders on magic/science fiction powers, you want to use SpectraLayers.  
On 7/25/2007 at 6:57 AM, Sebastian.Gabler said:

See below.

A spectrogram is a spectrogram.

 

I've never disagreed with Sebastian, but this is not correct when considering SpectraLayers.   The infinite adjustability of the formulae and colors to display spectral audio in SpectraLayers can be frustrating when compared to the options in SequoiaTude.   

He is very right about Algorithmix and MAGIX --Those of us old enough do remember that ReNOVATOR was bundled (with a test period) inside of Magix Products.  But that seems to be the extent of the sharing of underlying code.

On 2/18/2020 at 9:35 AM, Bebe Lyn said:

Did anyone compare it to Samplitude's spectral cleaner?

Two versions ago Samplitude's cleaner did not have all of the features of the Sequoia version: effect % and types of crossfades/damping.   Users could pay to upgrade the restoration titles to match Sequoia's.   You would have to check, but I've heard the full suite is now part of the top level of Samplitude.   But I'm not 100% on that.

Hope this helps.

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Very interesting, but as Sebastians post is from 2007, it is strange to revive this thread....

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My understanding is that Robin Lobel has always owned SpectraLayers and had a distribution deal with Sony. I suspect that deal was acquired with the other Sony software and when it expired, Lobel moved to Steinberg because Samplitude already has a spectral editor and Cuebase/Nuendo is by far the most widely used DAW.

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I for the first time opened the offline version of Spectral Cleaning in Sam Pro X4 and found options that are helpful...The intensity setting mainly.

If I want to just soften an S for example instead of erasing part or all of it...

I've always used just the Spectral Mode before...Nice!

Thanks for these descriptions above...

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