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I wrote:

Greetings,

I am still running Cubase 1.6 SX.... yeah, I know.. however, I wish to make a step forward, a big one....So far I have come down to my shortlist of two possible solutions, Samplitude Pro and Nuendo.... So I lurked in the old Forum for a while and well.... it can be confusing to read the stuff.....

My goal is to have a DAW where I can use my Adobe Premiere and do music2film, hence import video and so on.... Now I guess ;o) thats what Nuendo is all about, and yeah, surround is definately important to me.

Now this is a tricky one, because one can not access the Samplitude forum to ask the same questions, but there is a SAM newcomer forum, however, this seems not to be moderated.

So I thought I just ask here, in fairness, I "heard" that Nuendo has a lot of problems DBFlaw, and others, and that this comes form the inheritance of lots of "oldish" code that makes up the entire package, hence a lot of "flaws"would be extremly difficult to get rid of, and with every new feature chances would be high that at the other end something goes wrong.... Now, I am totally awars that a complex program like Nuendo with probably more than 2 million lines of code has it's problems, however, if this is a showstopper and causes a lot of distress with new upgrades, as seen in the past, this would be bad news for me.... I do not wish to become a specialist in woprkarounds, this is counterproductive of course. On the other side i heard that SAM is more stable due to better coding, well, both of the infos probably have a certain amount of truth and a certain amount of fairytales.

Get my dilemma? How does one make a informed decision? It is a crucial step for me, as I do not wish to licence 2-3 DAWs and loose too much time with that stuff.

Obviously , I know people who changed from N2 to SAM and people who changed from SAM to N2, so that does not really help either. ;o)

The pricing for Nuendo is much higher than for SAM since recently, so I also question whether this is worth it.

Sigh.... probably very foolish to ask on a Nuendo forum what would you do eeh? But in fairness, I thought it isd worth a shot....

The advantage I can see to stay with steinberg is that I am used to cubase, which probably makes the step to muendo easier. A little more insecurity comes into the game with reference to that yamaha story.... will this be good?.... was asked in the old forum, and I think only time can tell.

I also want to spec a new computer to run my future DAW with, currently I only have a 2.4ghz, 5333fsb with 1 Gig Ram, 3 screens on Matrox parhelia and a bunch of Raptors in RAID-0, which is quite nice but processing power is what I am after and probably go for a dual xenon....

Well... whatever.... if you can contribute anything helpful to my confusion... much appreciated ;o)

And I got this answer:

As a long time Samplitude user (since 1995) I guess I can compare Nuendo and Samp.

Nuendo:

PRO:

-Very stabile

-Great videoplayback with support for external video output

-Steinberg is the mother of VST, ASIO + + and hence VST plugins and ASIO work like a dream. Realtime monitoring is very good.

-Very good post functions, surround support and DTS and Dolby Digital 5.1 export (optional)

-Very fast, intuitive, advanced etc.

-Very good remote control support (Mackie etc.)

-Works great with UAD-1 and Poco

-Great sync with Timebase, timecode burn to video with timebase

-Great Network mode

-Have Systemlink

CON:

-Lacks built-in PQ coding

-Lacks built in RedBook CD burning, Lacks DVD-A burning

-Lacks some pro mastering tools

-Lacks a GREAT built-in EQ plugin

-Not as good waveform view as Samp

Samplitude:

PRO:

-Great EQ plugin built-in

-Real PRO mastering plugins

-Built-in PQ Coding

-Built-in RedBook audio CD burn, and DVD-A burn

-Great waveform view

-Option for DDP 2.0 (Exabyte) mastering (built-in with Sequoia)

CON:

-Not as stabile as Nuendo when running heavy with ASIO/VST.

-Not as good Video support (even in V8)

-Not nearly as good remote control support (Mackie Control etc.)

-Not as stabile with UAD-1 as Nuendo

-No good solutions for Timesync

-Realtime monitoring with ASIO and overdubbing not working good (will be fixed)

-No realtime FX monitoring on Aux channels (works like a charm in Nuendo

-No network options

-Have no Systemlink like features

OK, to sum it up:

I now use Nuendo for nearly all work.

All music prod, all post work.

Samplitude covers PQ code and mastering.

Then you choose :-)

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To be honest, I was hoping on some more detailed comment with respect to the statements on SAM... I think the poster made an effort to compare both DAWs, and although statements like "very stable" are somewhat useless, others are not.

I think I leave it here and thank you all for your feedback, but after my mail to magix was not even answered.... well... not very promising...

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I STRONGLY AGREE with the comparison between sam and nuendo.

Sam under high load w/ multi dx/vst plugs is about as stable as a bead of water on your knuckle.

AGAIN THANK YOU FOR POINTING OUT::: SAM has no solution for smpte lock. They use a converter to MTC which won't sync frame tight with outboard gear. ESPECIALLLY under heavy load-- MTC leaves sam in 'fits and bursts' and forces slave outboard gear to chase erratically without lock.

also Sam and AISO don't like each other, but are forced bedfellows due to softhsynth and vsti intergration. How else to keep up with Steinberg? erp i mean yahmaha. (which BTW is sad cause MAGIX has paid out the ass for re-development lately) tough luck. Ill wait for version 10... :o

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plus it's someone who uses samp since 1995 who forgets many features of samp. :lol:

No kidding! :lol:

Unfortunately I have never used Nuendo (I guess I'll have to download a crack just to try it out! :lol: )... But I think Samplitude deserves much more credit than is givin in that post. I'm also using the older version of Samplitude Producer 6.0, and I am very much a "Newbie" to Samplitude than probably most of the people here... But since no one has brought this up, then I guess I will! :lol:

Also some of the stuff on the new features (in both 7.0 and the soon coming 8.0) are things I've heard about through the loads of research I've done...

For starters, Samp's editing capabilities are fantastic! The "Object Based" editing is one of my absolute favorite features in Samplitude.

Samplitude is known for its excellent "sound quality". This seems to be a controversial topic if one DAW sounds "better" than another, but I sure noticed a huge difference when I upgraded from Cakewalk PA9 several years ago.

Samplitude is also a very stable DAW (I noticed this was not mentioned in the pros for Samplitude as it was for Nuendo).

Samplitude is also one of the most customizable DAWs available! There are many different ways to do things and it is very adaptable to your way of working...

Samplitude is also a very deep and complex program, I'm still finding out new features and things that it can do after 3 years of using it. Being part of the newsgroup and message boards I have learned a lot of awesome tricks that I probably wouldn't have thought to try on my own.

The effects built into Samp are top notch! The EQ is excellent, the real time room simulator (reverb), as well as the new analog suite plugins (compressors and tape simulator) and elastic audio (pitch shifting) coming in version 8.0 I've heard are outstanding. This covers most of the basics for very common effects, without using ANY external plugins.

As for running heavy plugins, the Track Freeze feature allows you to run as many plugins as you want with absolutely no load on your PC.

Most of the other stuff posted (like video, control support, timesync, etc.) don't have any effect on my recording, so I can't comment either way on that stuff.

Even just from the previous post, the cons listed for Nuendo are for more important to me than the cons listed for Samplitude. And the first con for Samplitude can be taken care of with the Track Freeze feature... So that's not really much of an issue.

I'm also not sure what is meant by "No realtime FX monitoring on Aux channels".... I'm assuming it's something different than what I'm thinking, because I don't have any problems monitoring Aux channels. (???) :o

-tkr

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there is no perfect daw. you must choose and use what meets your particular needs. (or comes closest) All do different things better than the other and all have thier quirks. I use Samplitude,...cuz..I like it best. Solid Audio Daw. I do minimal very simple midi/vsti's and I have no complaints whatsoever. whatever blows up your dress!!! Samp blows up my dress warm,..you,...it might be too chilly for. :o or may be nice and kosy for you.

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... and from the last price list: Nuendo is now near Sequoia, far more expensive than Sam. But speaking about Sequoia vs. Nuendo there is no doubt, which I would pick.

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... and from the last price list: Nuendo is now near Sequoia, far more expensive than Sam. But speaking about Sequoia vs. Nuendo there is no doubt, which I would pick.

That's nonsense.

Nuendo3 new is about 2000 EUR, Sequoia is 3000 EUR!!!

Not to forget special offers to upgrade to Nuendo

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Could it be that the tendencious posts here are all from a magix employee?

Look at www.merging.com in the pyramix forum, which he has written also under pseudonym "visiteur" ;-))))

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Hi.

I have used Nuendo for 2 years. Because of constant bugs, crashing I

finally decided to switch. Back then Nuendo din't have Freeze, and what's most important, Object Editor!!!

After I switched I immediately noticed sound difference. Don't really know why, but my mixes begin to sound big.

EQ is great. Object editing saves me tons of CPU load, automation and track # and by that giving me better control

over project. Coloring Waves and Background is great also. Coloring or waves and background is great also. Editing is great....

Visualization, FX routing, VSTi routing, mixed cursor modes, CD burning, Backup on DVD..............................................................

Samplitude is VERY stable!!! If not there's a problem with your system. I constantly use FX-Teleport to use network computers for Convolution Verbs (Pristine Space), VSTi processing. samplitude is 100% stable when all networked computers CPU is 70% loaded.

Imagine 5 computers networked loded with entire Vienna Symphonic Library and EWQL Symphoni Library.

I know Samp has cons and lack of some very neded features, which I believe they will implement, but PROS WINS BIG TIME here!!!!, and those are not available in any other DAW and those makes the difference!!! There are workarounds for those small issues everyone is bitchin about, eaven if exporting/importing for some operations that Samp lacks. I have bouncing presets made and import/exports is a matter of seconds, so If you can not live without some feature there's always fast import/export. I have to do a lot of import/export but appart from other DAW's Samp's bounce presets makes it a matter of seconds.

Have to export drums for MT Drum Quantization (Beat Quantizer or Beat Detective)

Have to export vocals for (Melodyne, VocAlign)

Have to export Mix for HarBal and then import to finish mastering.

After working with all major DAWs I find Samplitude absolutely the best ! Since I use Samp, my work become joy and can not imagine going back to Nuendo!!!

Thanks Samplitude Team!

Br,

kdiamond

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The main disadvantage of SX/Nuendo for me is, all used effects in a project are constantly using CPU load when I hit play. If I add a compressor the CPU consumtion increases, even if no audio is played on this track or bus. This is far better in Samplitude. The program removes the CPU consumtion after the audio on this track or the single object was played. So I can use much more effects in a project. It´s like coloring a picture with small color spots on the necessary points. In SX/Nuendo I have to draw a line from the left to the right, to include single points.

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Could it be that the tendencious posts here are all from a magix employee?

Look at www.merging.com in the pyramix forum, which he has written also under pseudonym "visiteur" ;-))))

Not just there.

This guy doesn't seem to be a professional representant of an audio-company at all,...his answers are written in a bad communication style - the simplest rules are missed there,...

apparently he wants to get rid of the dumb customers.

and additionally he flames people off list,....

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Guest here we go.

you guys are truly paranoid.

Turn The Computer OFF!!!! Or,...remove your internet connection!!! :o

More than just english speaking humans use Samplitude you know. People from all over the world use samplitude. :lol:

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lol...I went there and...although a few of his posts mention Seq-Samp...um... he IS actually ...posting some decent info/help or suggestions. I think the Merging Tech webforum guy is just a tad preturbed...lol kinda funny.

I see no problem with his posts. Many people have multi-software systems and have knowledge of a few ...posting info about competitors software is part of free speech isnt it?

You guys crack me up.

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Magix Sequoia 8 List Price: $3,349.00 : http://www.bananas.com/productdetail.asp/p...AGIX-Sequoia-V8

To stay with the truth.

Street price should be about 2,500-3,000 ....

The list price advertized officially by MAGIX is 2999.- $. What the shops do in the US is fooling stupid customers by adding something to later be substracted on the list price.

Rule: The discount is what they try to surcharge first.... :o VERY popular game in the US.

Trollhunter

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Magix Sequoia 8 List Price: $3,349.00 : http://www.bananas.com/productdetail.asp/p...AGIX-Sequoia-V8

To stay with the truth.

Street price should be about 2,500-3,000 ....

The list price advertized officially by MAGIX is 2999.- $. What the shops do in the US is fooling stupid customers by adding something to later be substracted on the list price.

Rule: The discount is what they try to surcharge first.... :o VERY popular game in the US.

Trollhunter

Ahhh....I understand.

Advertised list price in Europe is 2999 EUR.

Who fooles customers here?

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